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Story & Characters - What we know (Spoilers) - Updated 28/09

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Story & Characters - What we know (Spoilers) - Updated 28/09

Postby richr74 » July 21st, 2017, 3:29 pm

This thread states the facts we know and the story is listed in a real life timeline of events rather then the way we may see it in the film.

I have also listed the actors and the characters they play at the bottom.

Story

*Shot of the Pig Mask on a workbench with John Kramer in the background wearing his red and Black Gown.

*We see someone who is NOT a detective put down the reverse bear trap in an angry fashion - this character appears to be male and is likely a flashback so happens early in the timeline

*Someone digging up John Kramer's grave presumably to gather his DNA or to reveal an empty coffin (This may be the police digging it up after the killings start though)

*Carly looking around a corner with her hood up. - (Before she has been kidnapped) - She is also holding money, possibly trying to buy drugs & does she Witness's the garbage truck crash?

*Shot of someone cocking the shotgun in the final room - Setting up a shotgun trap before the barn game starts

*Five people wake up in a barn with Buckets on there head, these people are from left to right 'Mitch, 'Anna', 'Ryan', Carly & Victim 5 (Unknown Victim 5 doesn't appear to wake up and we are led to believe he is killed by the wall saws. - Note, we are told this is a shock reveal!! & so there's a very good chance he doesn't die?

*We don't see at this point but the buckets are somehow released and taken off - What is the purpose of the bucket itself as after they are off it is clear the chains are attached to there necks.

*The chains pull Mitch, Anna, Ryan & Carly into room 2 initially (likely just to get them into that room) before stopping.

*Mitch presses A "Play Me" Tape - Likely after the Bucket room to explain the game. - Could be anyone of the later rooms though

*Billy the Puppet comes out and Ryan makes a joke.

*There are now shots of them pulling the chains against posts with barbed wire which are in room 2

*Anna being pulled around a post with barbed wire on (She still has Black Jacket on)

*They are then pulled to the end of the room where the chains go vertical.

*Three Needles falling in front of Ryan and they clearly do something with them here, possibly slows there heart rate or similar? or antidote for a poison already in their system.

*Anna takes her jacket off as you can see it on the floor when they get pulled into the air.

*All four are pulled up into the air.

*Assumed that Carly dies here as she is the only one who appears to not make it out of the collar in future scenes - likely because she didn't have one of the needles.

*The remaining 3 are now released from their chains

*Pic of Mitch with Anna behind him after using the needle and looking at someone else, possibly Carly dying or dead as she hadn't taken one?

*Pic of them walking into the next room

*Ryan drops into the floor and legs are tied and hurts his leg

*Anna and Mitch are trapped inside the grain chamber (Anna has Red top still but this is the last time she is wearing it)

*Grain now starts to fill the chamber

*Then once they are trapped and can't move various sharp items start falling in possibly from the Levers that Ryan is pulling.

*Shot of Ryan pulling a lever while he is still half into the floor.

*Anna & Mitch somehow escape the chamber but it is not shown - Ryan pulling various levers tightens the wires around his legs but one releases them from the room?

*Anna nearly falls into metal spikes (With her red top still on) appearing to just stop before impact - Falling out of the grain chamber?

*Ryan pulls himself out the floor.

*Shot of Ryan on the ground in pain with his leg wrapped up in Anna's red Shirt - Possibly dies from here as we don't see any scenes with him in after this.

*Mitch pulling a metal lever down (you can tell its him from his bracelets)

*Mitch gets tied round the legs (Shirt is off at this point) - it is likely that from being tied around his legs pulls him up into the air ready for the spiral blender trap - Tractor visible in both shots

*Mitch being lowered into spiral blender with Anna watching. It appears the motorbike is connected and with the motorbikes wheel turning it lowers him. (His shirt is off at this point & So is Anna's)

*Closeup of the Motorbike, Anna stops it by jamming a metal bar into it. (Both there shirts off - anna in black Vest)

*Facebook suggestion that to stop the trap Mitch has to apply the Brake to the bike?

*Still of Anna looking at the Shotgun covered in more blood than any other scene.(Likely Mitch's) - I believe this is the last shot we see of their game possibly in their "timeline" in the past. (Note - This is a different part to where Logans Lazer trap is)

*Shotgun goes off and Hello Zepp starts, at which point someone mentions about someone killing their wife and we get the big reveal.

The below I believe is a separate timeline that catches up with the end of the barn game for the final reveal.

*Edgar Munson standing in a warehouse looking around and then a further pic of him listening to a tape (His Game)

*Edgar Munson standing on top of the warehouse roof we all the cops including Det. Keith & Holloran pointing guns at him while he is holding a gun/device.

*Edgar Munson losing a trap and becomes a jigsaw victim and having a jigsaw piece carved in his face.

*Rebecca Jogging and Edgar Munson is seen hanging in the park. (In this scene their is one person casually walking and not looking at the hanging body which is a little suspicious)

*Halloran & Det.Keith Investigate with the Help of Loagan & Hannah Emily Anderson's character looking at Edgar Munsons dead body.

*They find an Audio recording from john Kramer on the body. - They seem to realise its jigsaw but be shocked so this is likely the first victim "found".

*Carlys Look a like dead outside with a tattoo on their neck with Holloran, Logan & Eleanor talking.

*Swat Team Breaks into a warehouse of some sort (Not a farm though as appears to be in the city like the Wilson steel building) - Warehouse trap or the Lair with the trap accessories?

*Detectives find the new lair or jigsaws old one with all the trap accessories including the reverse bear trap

*Det.Halloran goes through a secret door at the lair where it shows shackles hanging up. - Has someone been kept prisoner?

*Logan & Eleanor investigating the same Jigsaw premises where there are replica traps/prototypes, Further Pics of Logan looking at reverse bear trap and Eleanor looking at Magnum trap, RBT and sitting on a chair - Is this before or after Det. Halloran has been investigating it as lighting is different and no pics of the looking at the same time?

*Shots of Logan and Eleanor at the barn looking at saws in the cutting room after the game has presumably finished and working there way through the barns traps. - Not a million miles behind timeline wise as Blood is still wet.

*Logan in a Laser Head Trap in the room where Ryan was lying in the floor in pain (I think this is the last scene in terms of timeline that we have seen so far and is within the last few mins of the movie) - I also think Anna survives the barn trap and is the last one standing and she puts on a pig mask (Becomes Jigsaw) and kidnaps Logan and puts him in the head trap. OR as they are investigating the barn Eleanor does the same thing.

Unknown Time - Someone wearing the Pig mask likely kidnapping someone.
Unknown Time - Someone getting hit by a truck - Possibly the same motorbike used in the barn trap involving a motorbike
Unknown Time - Someone lying on the ground bleeding from the head
Unknown Time - Det. Halloran standing at his car in daylight
Unknown Time - Someone taking a flash photo - Looks like John Kramer?
Unknown Time - Something smashing into Water buckets and a police car outside.
Unknown Time - Two Cars Exploding outside

Actors/Characters

Tobin Bell - Jigsaw - Flashbacks?
Josiah Black - Edgar Munson - Dead Male found Hanging in the park
Callum Keith Rennie - Holloran - Detective
Cle Bennett - Det. Keith - Detective
Matt Passmore - Logan - Forensic Specialist/Detective
Hannah Emily Anderson - Eleanor - Forensic Specialist/Detective
Laura Vandervoort - Anna - Bucket Victim 1
Mario Van Peebles - Mitch - Bucket Victim 2
Paul Braunstein - Ryan - Bucket Victim 3
Britney Allen - Carly - Bucket Victim 4 & Blond women looking round corner with hood up
Lauren Beatty - Carly Lookalike - Dead on Pavement with Det Halloran, Logan & Eleanor investigating
Keeya King - Rebecca - Girl Jogging in the park
? - Jordan - Forensic Specialist
- ? - Bucket Victim 5
- ? - Motorcycle Victim
- ? - Person Lying on the ground
? - ? - Photographer
Various Swat Guys

Michael Boisvert - ? - Net yet seen in any material
Shaquan Lewis - ? - Not yet seen in any material
Misha Rasaiah - Judy - Not yet seen in any material
Tina Jung - ? - Expectant Mother- Not yet seen in any material
Brandon James Sim - ? - Expectant Father- Not yet seen in any material
Sonia Dhillion Tully - ? - Doctor- Not yet seen in any material
Bonnie Siu - ? - Forensic Specialist- Not yet seen in any material
Attila Sebesy - ? - SWAT Breacher- Not yet seen in any material
Sam Koules - Melissa - ?- Not yet seen in any material
Ryan Manning - Young Ryan - Not yet see in any material
James Gomez - Lookalike
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby richr74 » July 21st, 2017, 3:35 pm

Let me know if you spot any mistakes and I will edit it or if you find anything out new.
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby sawguy77 » July 21st, 2017, 3:36 pm

Lot to pick out in the trailer
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby richr74 » July 21st, 2017, 3:39 pm

Yeh, I don't think I've left much out apart from the odd door closing or shot of someone we know screaming.
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby Carmen573 » July 21st, 2017, 6:06 pm

Things of note
The blonde girl is the only one not seen out of the collar
The guy who you said is bleeding hurt scared has a pool of blood by his leg in the trailer you see his foot press on a button and ropes tighten on his leg you know it's his because his shoe in the bucket photo. also you see him again pulling a lever through a hole in the floor presumably the hole his foot went through.
But the HUGEST Thing I think anyone has missed in the trailer review is that the guy in the spiral trap only has one arm at that point.
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby Carmen573 » July 21st, 2017, 6:08 pm

Also by the time the brown haired girl is in the grain trap her shirt is on fully in the motorbike her shirt is off
Meaning grain before bike
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby Jigsaw_Expert » July 21st, 2017, 6:46 pm

richr74 wrote:*Anna gets tied round the legs and pulled into metal spikes appearing to just stop before impact.

I don't think that's her being dragged by the wire. It's probably the guy who gets suspended above the spiral trap, it's just edited in a way to make it look like she's being propelled towards the spikes. She probably just falls towards them or something, no wire involved.

As for the guy who apparently "dies" in the first trap they said his identity is a secret and wont be revealed until you see the movie. Later in the trailer when the detectives investigate the trap his body is missing, so something is obviously going on. I'm guessing he's either the copycat killer (so when they reveal him to be the copycat later on cue audience gasp "but he apparently died in the buzzsaws!") or it's a returning character. I'm betting on Hoffman despite Lionsgate desperately trying to claim Costas is not returning at every single chance they get, almost as if they're trying to hide something.

I'm guessing the blonde girl in the farm trap is probably responsible for that runaway garbage truck, that could just be a flashback to show why she's there, maybe all of them have a part in the runaway garbage truck. I don't necessarily think the detectives investigating the farm trap will happen later on in the movie. As they investigate the trap we may be shown flashbacks to what happened. Then the final room they investigate could be the buzzsaw room where we get the reveal the guy who died is missing.
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby richr74 » July 21st, 2017, 7:37 pm

Well spotted guys.

Ill have to rewatch now.

Ill update it a bit later. Let me know if you spot anything else.

Did anyone notice my point that Seth from Jigsawsaves could be the guy from the trailer who puts the reverse bear trap down or do you think its coincidence?
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby Saw Warrior » July 21st, 2017, 9:20 pm

The fifth victim not being revealed, is a big giveaway.

If this character is Jigsaw's apprentice or a new copycat and was pretending to be dead, this will mimic Saw 1 twist. Jigsaw was in the bathroom with both Gordon and Adam, pretending to be dead and even adressing he was a corpse ( the tape said that ).

The detectives investigating the crime scene, when everything obviously already happened. That seems to be something from Saw 2, when both the game and the investigation weren't happening at the same time. So, possible time twist.

A nod to Kerry's Angel trap from Saw 3.

The coroner that finds something after the autopsy of the victim. This is so much like Saw 4, when Jigsaw had a tape inside of him.

The 5 victims playing the game. Exactly like Saw 5.

I still haven't found a nod to Saw 6...

A possible victim from a trap that happened during the day and was public, just like Saw 3D that had a public trap.
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Re: Story & Characters - What we know so far (Spoilers)

Postby RealmOfLutherNiles » July 21st, 2017, 10:28 pm

Saw Warrior wrote:So, possible time twist.


They wouldn't reveal their twists in the very first trailer.
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